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Hello,

Does anyone know if the ZIS waterfall grill insert was diecast chrome plated like the US cars or was it plastic?

Jerry

I'm not completely sure, but the deluxe models were chromed. The others were painted. Makes me believe they were or some kind if metal.

Guscha would be more of an expert here.

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Gerd,

I know you're not backward in coming forward but this time you're way too far forward. You'll need to come back inside the ZIS as I believe Jerry is referring to the radio grill. And because of it's style it's referred to as a "Waterfall grill". In this age of acronyms, abbreviations and allusions it's often hard to keep up with terminology. Now go to it! Hit us with some ZIS radio grill pic's please.

Ozstaman,

Sorry that I led everyone astray. You got is right.I am refereing to the radio grill. A gentleman bought a 1941 ZIS in Florida. He said he thought that it was original. The radio grill was like the 1941 Senior Packard. His grill insert was plastic. He ask me if I made the grill insert pictured on page 3 of my catalog. Goto www.yesterdaysradio.com to view to waterfall. It is part number DP11S. I do not make the metal grill insert, only the outer plastic shall.

Jerry

The waterfall in the 2 ZIS's I've examined are plastic. See photo taken here in NJ just before this car was shipped off to Sweden.

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looks like the 41-42 Junior plastic

Owen,

The photo is of a junior waterfall. I do make that, it is plastic. The piece in question is the senior waterfall. The gentleman claims the his chrome insert is plastic. Was the senior ZIS dash all Plastic?

Jerry

Jerry, I defer any opinions about originality to Gusha and the other ZIS owners, all I really know is what I observed, be it right or wrong.

Guscha is right on the USSR plastic, I mean the plastic details and knobs from the 1940s-1960s are thous things that get destroyed at the first place. The problem is that the engineers at that time thought that using vinegar acid(one of the components!) is a good thing and it was cheap and available at that time. If the plastic details decay they leave a funny odor in to the interiore.
The wheels cover starts to crack and the plastic kind of starts to bend between the metal wheel. It seems that the cause to the hole process is UV light and humidity. The ZIS plastic material for the wheel and other items is also used on ZIM,Pobeda, GAZ 21 Volga and also Moskvich cars from the 50s and 60s.

I can only tell that what I have seen and heard from experts, here where I am.

I havent seen any NOS plastic parts exept wheels for Volga,ZIM and Pobeda cars bun no ZIS wheels ore plastic details. Im not sure they made plastic things for ZIS cars as spare parts at that time? Any comments guys,on this one?

And Welcome Jerry to the forum,


Steve