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Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Hi, all. This my first post here. Being Canadian and living in Canada, over the years I've been able to make numerous trips to Cuba. As most people know, Cuba still has thousands of 1940's right up to 1959 model-year American cars still on the road and in daily use, with the conditions of them ranging from a very few, nicely restored and/or well maintained ones to completely decrepit, butchered and cobbled up barely running monstrosities. When I'm there I'm always on the lookout for Packards. While Packards are not one of the more common makes of American cars still in daily use there , I have seen several, mostly late '40's to early 50's Clippers and Patricians and one very rough but still fairly original 1954 Caribbean convertible. I'm wondering, does anybody know the name of the Cuban Packard importer and distributor during that era? Since most 'pre-1959 revolution' buildings in Cuba are still in use and mostly unchanged and still in their original form,with their original facades and cast or carved signage still intact, with a company name to go by and start my search for an address with, I could probably track down and photograph the original office and showroom. Also, does anyone know of any 1955 or '56 Packard Caribbeans being shipped new to Cuba and if so so, how many?? If there were some '55 and '56 model Caribbeans sold new there and if any have survived, finding and photographing one and talking to the owner and possibly even getting a ride in it(!) would be a truly amazing treat.

Posted on: 2015/9/9 18:55
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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G'day Mart-Emmenes,
to PackardInfo.

According to the Packard Dealership listing here on Site, there are two dealer records in Cuba.

J. Ulloa & Company

J. Ulloa y Cia.

Not much info and, could be one and the same dealer?

And, if by happenchance you have Packard I invite you to include it in the Packard Owner's Registry.

Posted on: 2015/9/9 19:56
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Hi Mart-Emmenes, welcome to PackardInfo.com.

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... could be one and the same dealer? ...


More likely than not with view to the variety of represented brands.

"...In 1931, of the 20 makes of automobiles for sale, many did not depend on an individual dealer for each and every brand. Packard, Hudson and Essex cars, as well as White trucks, were sold by one dealer, J.Ulloa & Co...."


source: "El Automovil de Cuba" on hemmings.com

Posted on: 2015/9/9 20:38
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Thank you, Ozstatman! Yes, both listings are for the same company - the one with the Havana "Prado" street address most likely being an earlier, circa 1920s location and the "53 Paseo de Marti" address most likely a later location I just got back from Cuba in June and probably wont be visiting Cuba again until sometime next spring but when I'm in Havana I'll definitely search out those addresses and see if any signs of a former Packard dealership and showroom remain at those location and get some photos.

I don't own a Packard myself - I wish I did. My closest connection to the marque is my now 85 year-old dad, who in 1950, bought an - 'extremely rare in Canada due to Canada's war effort starting in 1939, almost three years before that of the the US and thus officially not supposed to have been imported or sold here'- 1942-model Packard Clipper. The car was supposedly bought new by a doctor in 1942, which may explain how it came to be legally imported despite government war-time regulations banning new cars sales to most other civilians. The doctor appare4ntly died suddenly in 1945 and his still almost new car then sat untouched in a garage for 5 more years until my dad found it and purchased for just 150 dollars sometime around 1950. He still some photos of that car taken in 1950 or '51` that Ill try to get scanned and post.

I'm still curious about how many if any '55 and '56 Caribbeans may have been shipped new to Cuba.if anybody has that information.

Posted on: 2015/9/9 21:34
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Quote:
...I'm still curious about how many if any '55 and '56 Caribbeans may have been shipped new to Cuba.if anybody has that information.


Dave (Owen_Dyneto) -> once mentioned:

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...There is a table of exports by year in the Kimes-edited book...

Posted on: 2015/9/9 21:49
The story of ZIS-110, ZIS-115, ZIL-111 & Chaika GAZ-13 on www.guscha.de
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Reviewing the 56 Caribbean convertible listing does not show any shipped to Cuba. You might try contacting the Studebaker National Museum to see if any 56 Packards were shipped.
http://tappinn.com/view/page/p/112755

Posted on: 2015/9/9 21:50
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Looking forward to seeing Photos of your Dad's Clipper.

Another avenue you could try for info on Cuban dealers is that of the Dealerships & Factory Branches Forum on the PAC website.

Posted on: 2015/9/9 22:40
Mal
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"Out of chaos comes order" - Nietzsche.

1938 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD

1941 One-Twenty Club Coupe - SOLD

1948 Super Eight Limo, chassis RHD - SOLD

1950 Eight Touring Sedan - SOLD

What's this?
Put your Packard in the Packard Vehicle Registry!
Here's how!
Any questions - PM or email me at ozstatman@gmail.com
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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My records in 1956 don't show any deliveries to Cuba. One did go to Dominican Republic and several to Mexico. But nothing listed for delivery in Cuba.

Will check my 1955 records later.

Remember that back in those days there was a ferry line that ran back and forth to Cuba from Florida and you could take your car with you-as many American visitors did. So even if a Caribbean ended up in Fidel's country, it might very well have not been delivered there originally.

It would be nice to know the serial number of the 1954 Caribbean that is there.

Oh... and since we're on the subject of Packards and Cuba and since there is mention of the old buildings still being intact (hmmm)... what ever happened to the Packard Hotel there and what does it look like today?

The address was 51 Prado Blvd, Havana. I have attached a photo of how it looked in the 1950s.

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Posted on: 2015/9/10 13:13
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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J. Ulloa y Cia, Paseo de Marti, 53 Moderno in Havana was Packard's distributor in Cuba for many years, at least back into the mid-30s and perhaps earlier.

Posted on: 2015/9/10 14:50
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Re: Cuban Packard Distributor and '55 & '56 Packard Caribbeans in Cuba?
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Mart-Emmenes wrote:
Thank you, Ozstatman! Yes, both listings are for the same company - the one with the Havana "Prado" street address most likely being an earlier, circa 1920s location and the "53 Paseo de Marti" address most likely a later location I just got back from Cuba in June and probably wont be visiting Cuba again until sometime next spring but when I'm in Havana I'll definitely search out those addresses and see if any signs of a former Packard dealership and showroom remain at those location and get some photos.

I don't own a Packard myself - I wish I did. My closest connection to the marque is my now 85 year-old dad, who in 1950, bought an - 'extremely rare in Canada due to Canada's war effort starting in 1939, almost three years before that of the the US and thus officially not supposed to have been imported or sold here'- 1942-model Packard Clipper. The car was supposedly bought new by a doctor in 1942, which may explain how it came to be legally imported despite government war-time regulations banning new cars sales to most other civilians. The doctor appare4ntly died suddenly in 1945 and his still almost new car then sat untouched in a garage for 5 more years until my dad found it and purchased for just 150 dollars sometime around 1950. He still some photos of that car taken in 1950 or '51` that Ill try to get scanned and post.

I'm still curious about how many if any '55 and '56 Caribbeans may have been shipped new to Cuba.if anybody has that information.


Take a look at the photo of the Hotel Packard in Havana, Cuba I just posted...whatever happened to it?

Posted on: 2015/9/12 13:23
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