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Owen_Dyneto

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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Gusha, thanks for the info. Its a repro patent plate with a bogus VN which is almost certainly the motor number. Yet another lovely car whose original credentials may have been muddled due to the desire to have a bright, shiny but non-authentic ID plate.

The theft proof number indicates the car was built with a leftover 1938 body, as were many of the 1939 Twelves. In fact it's a very early 1938 body, and a very early 1939 motor number.

Posted on: 2022/9/3 16:57

Guscha

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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A very special Packard with a very special VIN. Dave (O_D), thanks for the helpful explanations.
Here comes the next. It was -> Tom Laferriere, who took the pictures and collected the full set of numbers of this 1933 Packard Eight Convertible Victoria.

Vehicle No. 627-33
Chassis No. 371726
Thief-Proof No. 174376
Motor No. 372534
Body No. 3050-6246

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Posted on: 2022/9/4 2:01

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Tim Cole

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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For some reason a lot of lost title cars end up being palmed off as sold by Earl C. Anthony. As if that is more impressive than Packard Motor Car Company New York, N.Y. (1861 Broadway). Sometimes I think Packard history is being supervised by Fox "News".

Posted on: 2022/9/4 11:38

Guscha

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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1937 Packard 115
1082-34595 VIN
390792 or 3 Thief-Proof (I'm a bit uncertain about the last digit.)

A Thief-Proof no. without triangles?

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Posted on: 2022/9/5 13:04

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humanpotatohybrid

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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Looks like a 3 to me 👀

Due to the firewall shape on the 37 juniors they couldn't fit the triangles on so they just... left them off

Posted on: 2022/9/5 13:22

'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
'55 Clipper Deluxe. Engine is stuck-ish.

Owen_Dyneto

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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Partially correct, the end brackets or triangles were also omitted on the 1935 and 1936 juniors though there was sufficient room for them. Packard's reason for omitting them is unknown to me.

Posted on: 2022/9/5 14:56

humanpotatohybrid

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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Owen_Dyneto wrote:
Engine side of the cowl. 22nd Series and later it was placed over the heater box location; in earlier years it was generally at the top center of the cowl. Six digits beginning in 1929 with 000001; starting with the 24th Series they were 5 digits preceded by first an "A", and then "B" and "C", ending with "D" in 1956. Not used in 1957 and 1958.

Here's some detail. Note the unusual representation of the digit "1". The factory print misrepresents the shape of the character "D"; in practice it was much more square and as the dies became worn and indistinct by 1956 it's sometimes difficult to tell a "D" from an "0" which also has a squarish shape. The triangular end brackets were not used on the junior models 1935-1937 and thus for those 3 years there may be some duplicity of numbers, though distinguished, senior or junior, by the presence or absence of the brackets.

Just curious, where did you get a copy of that drawing?

Posted on: 9/27 8:21

'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
'55 Clipper Deluxe. Engine is stuck-ish.

Owen_Dyneto

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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Do you mean this one? Packard factory blueprint, available from the archived files at the Proving Grounds.

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Posted on: 9/27 8:51

humanpotatohybrid

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

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Owen_Dyneto wrote:
Do you mean this one? Packard factory blueprint, available from the archived files at the Proving Grounds.

Yes, thanks. Is any of that online or do you have to go there and ask to look?

Posted on: 9/27 15:22

'55 400. Needs aesthetic parts put back on, and electrical system sorted.
'55 Clipper Deluxe. Engine is stuck-ish.

Packard Don

Re: Thief-Proof Numbers (body serial numbers)

#310

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I can't speak for Dave's source but I get factory blueprints from the Studebaker Archives and there is a fee for searching for and printing/mailing them. They do not send electronically although they did once for me during the lockdown.

Posted on: 9/27 15:39

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