Packard Forum Index » Pre-War (1899-1942)

who can tell me that? tightening torque head screws 1937 8 cylinder 120 cast iron head.
Greetings Mike

It should be covered in the service manual, here is a snippet.

Attach file:

---

  209_58e16e18c1e53.jpg (87.46 KB)

Here is a chart from Motor's Auto Manual.
You did not specify type of motor but it covers all 3.
Actual torque specs before the war are rarely given, 60-62 ft/lbs is usual
As it has been pointed out on this site many times. A gradual tightening is needed to slowly bring the gasket and surfaces into a proper seal. Wait a bit before stepping through to top torque to allow the gasket to relax. 10 ft/lbs at a time after initial 40 ft/lb range.
Another hint I would give is to fill the cooling system with distilled water. When first seating these long heads you will likely get a few leaks until you have retorqued a few times through the heat and cooling cycle. The water will cause less harm than an anti-freeze mix if it gets into cylinder walls and valve seats and guides. Once everything is sealed, drain and mix up your preferred anti-freeze coolant.
Good luck!
Bob J.

Attach file:

---

Packard Head Torque.pdf Size: 326.49 KB; Hits: 77

thank you you are great.
I have a seal with aluminum frames, can make. that should work better. Greetings and thanks Mike

Quote:

Bob, there has been some chatter on this site about not using distilled water. Not a chemist, but I believe the distilled water will leach certain metals and cause serious damage. Maybe de-ionized water would be a better choice? But, if the water is there only for a short period of time, ordinary tap water should suffice.

Sounds good, just wanted to keep the ethyl glycol out of any areas it could stick up the works.

Here is what I have found to back up the claim of not using distilled water:

QUOTE "During the distillation process, water is vaporized into its gaseous phase, so all its impurities are left behind. These impurities include a number of minerals, including “calcium” and “magnesium,” the two components of water “hardness.” The water is then condensed back into its liquid phase, so the resulting liquid is pure water – in fact, some of the purest water on earth. But the problem is that when water is distilled, or “stripped,” of its minerals and impurities, the resulting solution is composed of chemically imbalanced “ions.” This leaves distilled water “ionically hungry,” so it will actually strip electrons from the metals in a cooling system as it attempts to chemically re-balance itself. As it chemically removes electrons from the metals of cooling system components, distilled water eventually does extreme damage that could lead to cooling system failure.

So what’s the answer? Softened water. During the water softening process, the same impurities and minerals are removed from water as during the distillation process – but with one very important distinction. Rather than STRIPPING the impurities from water, softening EXCHANGES the impurities with a sodium ion. The resulting solution is chemically and ionically balanced, making softened water very stable, very pure, and non-threatening to cooling system metals." END QUOTE

I am truly sorry if my ignorance caused any harm. But I did learn something important today!
Bob J.

Bob, sharing your research on distilled and de-ionized water was most informative. We all learned something today. Thank you.

As always, to achieve the correct torque you need to ensure that threads (on the bolt & in the head) are clean and rust free. You can use a die or tap to clean them up if you need to. A drop or two of oil doesn't hurt either.

No oil on the threads when tightening to spec, just clean and dry.

Good advice from all, and imagine being in Germany, you require antifreeze. But never use distilled water, which is ion hungry, leaching minerals; lead, tin, solder among them, from your cooling system. Mercedes issued an adviso about this back in 1989.

Reverse osmosis water the way to go. See the tech link on www.no-rosion.com

If you want to split micro hairs, Red Line Water Wetter incrementally better for systems with aluminum, No-Rosion for all iron systems.