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From Turnquist's book, body type 1099 was not available on a "CD" chassis. The "CD" body types were 1094, 1096, 1098 on the 120 inch wheelbase and 1091 and 1092 on the 138 inch wheelbase. So a 1099 cannot be a CD.

Owen -

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The body types that you noted don't fully mesh with what's shown in our Model Info for 1937 and the table on page 6 of the 1935-41 Packard Parts List's Body Section. According to those references, "CD" body types were 1092, 1094, 1096 on the 120CD chassis and 1090 and 1091 on the 138CD chassis.

I checked my copy of the Turniquist book and found same error regarding body types for the 120CD, but it correctly shows 1090 and 1091 for the 138CD. That wouldn't be the first discrepancy I found in that book, but it was one of the first books of its kind.

However, we're all in agreement that the 1099 body was not offered on either CD chassis.

I'm certainly no expert on prewar cars, but your post caught my eye because I had wrestled, at length, with Series, chassis and body designations in assigning Recommended Literature to Model Info pages as well compiling content for the site's Service index for vehicles of this period.

The CD package with Thermostatic Grille was not appropriate for a 1099, primarily due to the interior upgrades for the sedans not being appropriate for a conv.coupe. That said, a CD radiator will fit in the standard radiator collar, and it simply appears that after 70+ years of life, a CD radiator was installed at some point.

BH notes I checked my copy of the Turniquist book and found same error regarding body types for the 120CD, but it correctly shows 1090 and 1091 for the 138CD. That wouldn't be the first discrepancy I found in that book, but it was one of the first books of its kind.

Yes, there were errors a plenty in the Turnquist book but it still remains a good resource. I don't know if any of the errors were found and corrected in later printings.

Another well-regarded resource, Robert Marvin's The Packard Identification Guide (first edition, 1988) also gives different information on the 1937 120CD models. It lists the lwb 1090 and 1091 but only lists the 1096 and 1098 on the 120 inch wb, no mention of 1094.

The Kimes-edited tome (pg. 473 in mine) lists all 5 body types and further indicates the lwb CDs (138CDs) were introduced later in the production run. It identifies the CD features as automatic radiator shutters, sponge-backed carpets, full Marshall springs in the seats, banjo steering wheel, clock, deluxe radiator ornament, extra quality trimming and white sidewall tires.

In addition to what has been cited by O_D and BH, standard equipment specifications for the 120CD also include:

Gear shift knob with chrome plated cap
Center arm rest in rear seat
Heavy type (Senior) door handles
Flexible steel spoked (banjo) steering wheel
Mohair floor mats (carpet) front and abd rear.

The above comes from a dog eared photocopy page of the sales catalog.

In a letter to Packard distributors dated Sept 3, 1936 it also states that "The equipment and specifications for the model One Thirty Eight will be the same as the Packard One Twenty Deluxe models except that it will not include a deluxe radiator emblem, flexible type steering wheel or white sidewall tires"

Sorry if I took this thread off topic.

Okay here is some more information on what was offered in the 1937 line as to what can or can't be a CD car. I am restoring a 1095 Sport Coupe as a CD. I did research as to what was offered, as the coupe was not a CD originally. The Packard Company was one of the few US automakers that would do more customization to what the customer wanted. So here is the Packard Company printed in their 120C owners manual and it was also printed in the 1937 Shop manual. Any 120C model has documentation for in the CD package.(CD was just options added to your car) All the way from the Business Coupe all the way to the extended frame 37's can be had with the CD package. The parts that made up the package did vary within the model. The Business Coupe would surely not have the Rear Seat Ash receivers for example. On the other side if a person says their CD did not have sidemounts, they could be very correct in saying so. Even in the 138CD's some did not have sidemounts. (Also please note in the manuals the designation for a CD car was a "D". My 138CD 1090 does not have anything that says it's a CD but as we know all 138's are CD's.

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Thanks for all the good advise and help. I now understand the differences in the C and CD and I see that the 1099 was not sold as a CD. I will not pursue the grill louver issue and farther.

Thanks for your help,

Rod

Rod, Here is a photo of the top radiator tank on my 115C (1089). This is what a conventional thermostat, no in-tank thermostat activated shutters, radiator looks like.

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