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No one seems to have this piece and one place wants 2k to make 60 of them through one of the major vendors......do any of you know where to pick one up??????

Take the part to a muffler shop and have one fabricated.

Id love to but mine was missing......just got the radiator back from being cored and the new radiator hoses (2 piece lower).......is there a one piece lower hose that NAPA sells that i could use until i find a lower metal hose????

".is there a one piece lower hose that NAPA sells that i could use until i find a lower metal hose????"

Don't know, but.....if you do find one make sure it's a reinforced hose because the suction from the water pump could collapse the hose if it's not strong enough or when it ages.

I'd also recommend the comment of dallas or, do as I did about 10 years ago and buy a 90 degree stainless steel bend(won't rust) and trim to fit.

Just adding emphasis to Mal's comment, if you use a one-piece lower hose insert a stiffner such as many factory lower hose installations used.

What I found in 1 of my cars was a regular radiator hose with a spring in it to prevent collapsing.

Pat, I just re-cored my rad and when I purchased new upper and lower hoses, I was able to get the exact size and bend radius but the new hoses did not have the helical spring coils in them and, as is suggested here, they are required. I ended up taking the old ones out of the used hoses, and spent quite some time cleaning off all the scale and mineral deposits on them. I found the coils were a really tight fit in the new hoses, so I placed them in really hot water and got them nice and supple, then lubed them thoroughly with dish soap and tied a couple of cords, diametrically opposed on the end of the coil, and had someone hold the hose and I pulled the springs squarely through until they left just enough of a cuff to go over the rad and water pump barbs and they gave the hoses excellent rigidity. The springs want to elongate of course, so you have to kind of stuff the trailing end in as you go, with a stick of something smooth that won't damage the tube of your new molded bends, If your old hoses don't have the springs, I think you can buy new ones at Napa or some place like. A thorough rinse afterward so your rad isn't blowing bubbles and you're ready for antifreeze. This may or may not apply in your case, and it is a bit of a bother to do, but thought I'd share my little exercise anyways, just in case it could be of some use! LOL

Thanks all for the suggestions.....im still in need of a fix for this. The coils from the old hose where in pieces and every where, even in the t-stat. The same vender that priced the metal pipe has a lower hose made of gold (price). He wont tell the hose number or where to get it until i find a metal lower.

Whats the best way to de-rust/scale the inside of the block?????

Are you looking for something for a 110 and do you (or anyone else) have a photo of a 38-41 showing the radiator outlet and the engine pipe/hose combination you are trying to duplicate? Does your radiator lower outlet tube have it's opening vertical?

Reason I ask is there are two combinations in the parts book for 41 outlet hoses. In the category of Radiator hoses where they show inlet and outlet hoses, one of the combinations has two short and straight hoses which would connect a metal tube on either end to the rad and pump but that combo lists for the 19th senior models and no mention of the 1900. Your profile says you have a 110 so assuming that is what you need, on the next page there is another listing for a 324171 elbow, hose (outlet) for the 1900 - 1 - 1A models. To me since it says hose that would indicate there may not be a metal tube on the 110s or else Packard called a metal tube a hose. It would appear the same arrangement was used from 38-41 and probably 42. Unless someone will provide photos of an original junior car showing a tube it is just a guess on my part if one was used.

Max Merritt has a listing for the 324171 outlet hose but maybe his item is something for a metal tube substitute. Max shows a similar hose but with a longer side length for senior engines. He shows it to be a regular hose having a single 90 degree bend with a long length of about 11 inches. Interpolating his photo and his long dimension to what the short side might be I would guess it to be about 5".

Looking at my Clipper with a senior engine and metal tube, assuming I would want to eliminate the tube, the long side of the hose would go to the radiator outlet and the short side to the pump.

You could get Max's hose or for less money you could probably go to Napa and look at any 1 3/4" ID hose (double check your car to be sure that smaller engines did not have a smaller ID) that has a 90 degree bend and sufficient extra on either side of the bend to cut the length you need. They should also have the inner support spring to keep the hose open.

Someone else mentioned using SS exhaust tubing. Not sure if SS is needed and regular aluminized would be a lot cheaper. The senior engine tube is a 90 degree bend with a slight offset at the radiator end. If tubes on juniors are used and a real one doesn't appear perhaps you could get something like a stock 90 degree elbow and use that for most of the visible part. Here is one from Amazon but other parts stores should carry something too.

In a stock piece, one side might need to cut but the other end would be a bit short. If there is the same slight offset as senior tubes then the longer length of straight hose needed on that end going to the radiator should take care of the missing offset. The way the 41 hood opens the extra length of straight hose should be mostly out of sight.

If you did want the metal tube, using a stock exhaust piece would be a lot less expensive than getting 50 made or maybe even one custom made at an exhaust shop.

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